Visser v Sanlam (C105/99) [2000] ZALC 18; [2000] 8 BLLR 969 (LC) (23 March 2000)

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Brief Summary

Labour Law — Unfair retrenchment — Applicant alleging unfair retrenchment following decision to out-source E-BIZ — Court finding that respondent's decision was commercially justified and that proper consultation occurred — Applicant's claims of improper motive and discrimination withdrawn — Dismissal upheld as fair.

IN THE LABOUR COURT OF SOUTH AFRICA
HELD AT CAPE TOWN
CASE NO: C105/99
In the matter between:
W VISSER Applicant
and
SANLAM Respondent
Dates of hearing: 16, 17 and 20 March 2000
Date of Judgment: 23 March 2000
Representation: For the Applicant, Mr N F Rautenbach
For the Respondent, Mr H C Niewoudt
___________________________________________________________________ 
JUDGMENT
___________________________________________________________________
ARENDSE AJ:
1.This application concerns the alleged unfair retrenchment of the applicant  
by   the   respondent   with   effect   from   31   October   1998   following   the  
respondent’s preliminary decision (in February 1998) to out­source its  
electronic business (“E­BIZ”).
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2.The matter  comes to  this Court  by way  of a  referral in  terms of  section  
191(5)(b)(ii) of the Act.  However at the commencement of the hearing I  
sought clarity in regard to allegations made by the applicant that her  
dismissal   was   actuated   by   an   improper   motive   on   the   part   of   the  
respondent,   alternatively   that   her   dismissal   was   the   result   of   unfair  
discrimination   based   on   gender.     Following   discussion   and   debate   in  
Court   (and   adjournments   to   take   instructions   from   his   client)  
Mr  Rautenbach, who appeared on behalf of the applicant, quite correctly  
in   my   view,   withdrew   the   allegations   relating   to   improper   motive   and  
unfair   discrimination.     The   judgment   accordingly   only   deals   with   the  
dispute   relating   to   the   substantive   and   procedural   irregularities  
allegedly committed by the respondent.
3.It   is   common   cause   that   the   respondent   had   taken   a   preliminary   business  
decision (in February 1998) to out­source E­BIZ to a company called BSW  
(subject to certain core functions in E­BIZ remaining in Sanlam).   The  
reason for the respondent’s preliminary business decision was that its  
management was of the view (shared by applicant) that a large proportion  
of   E­BIZ   is   non­core   business   which   will   function   better   outside   of  
Sanlam.  The respondent’s proposal was contained in a document prepared  
by   its   managing   director,   Mr   Nick   Christodoulou   dated   2   June   1998.  
Should   the   out­sourcing   of   E­BIZ   proceed,   the   respondent   proposed   as  
follows:
“4.1  All the posts in the portion of E­BIZ which is out­sourced, will be  
abolished within Sanlam.  At this date, we foresee that your employment  
with Sanlam will end if you are not redeployed within Sanlam in terms of  
4.4 below.

4.2  All the staff currently in these posts will be affected and therefore no  
selection criteria will be applicable.  However, please advise us if you  
believe   other   employees   should   be   included   amongst   the   employees  
(including yourself) affected by this preliminary business decision.
4.3  We are confident that we can negotiate with the new company to offer you  
alternative employment with similar terms and conditions to that which  
you   currently   enjoy.     In   such   circumstances   no   severance   pay   will   be  
payable.
4.4  If for some reason you are not offered an alternative post in the new  
company, we will attempt to redeploy you within Sanlam.
4.5  Severance   pay   is   only   applicable   if   no   alternative   is   found   for   you  
(within Sanlam or elsewhere (including the new company) or your refuse  
alternative   employment   (within   Sanlam   or   elsewhere   (including   the   new  
company))) on reasonable grounds.   The applicable severance pay is two  
week’s remuneration (as described in annexure “A”) for each unbroken and  
completed year of service.
4.6  At this stage we do not have a proposed date when the out­ sourcing will  
take effect and posts will be abolished.  We will revert to you on this  
point.
4.7  The   assistance   which   we   are   able   to   offer   you,   is   an   undertaking   to  
negotiate  with   the  new   company  for   alternative  posts,   as  described   in  
point   4.3   above.     If   you   believe   that   we   can   offer   you   any   other  
assistance, please let us know.
Kindly let us have your written comments (Jaco Viljoen’s office x 4002)  
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on the content of this letter by no later than 12:00 on Friday 05 June  
1998.  We look forward to hearing from you”.
4.It   is   not   in   dispute   that   the   respondent   was   commercially   justified   in  
taking   the   decision   to   out­source   E­BIZ.     Indeed,   the   applicant   (a  
senior   manager)   not   only   supported   this   decision,   but   was   also   an  
integral part of the management team which was mandated to give effect  
to   the   respondent’s   decision.     (The   applicant’s   task   was   confined   to  
dealing with personnel matters relating to the proposed out­sourcing to  
BSW).  Importantly, the applicant testified that she was fully aware of  
Christodoulou’s proposal of 2 June 1998 and in her evidence she stated  
that   she   was   aware   that   the   respondent’s   decision   to   out­source   meant  
that all posts within E­BIZ (including her own) would be abolished as a  
result and that the employment relationship between E­BIZ personnel and  
Sanlam would be terminated.  The applicant however sought to qualify her  
answer by stating that she was at all times under the impression that  
her (new) job with BSW would be secure.  She based her impression on two  
things,  firstly, her reading of Christodoulou’s proposal of 2 June 1998  
which   indicates   that   only   certain   (core)   E­BIZ   functions   would   remain  
within Sanlam (excluding hers) and  secondly, on 27 July 1998 most of the  
E­BIZ staff physically moved into the offices of BSW in anticipation of  
them being taken over by BSW.
5.Mr Stephanus Josias Botha gave evidence on behalf of the respondent.   He  
was   appointed   as   the   senior   manager   of   E­BIZ   on   1   June   1998   and   was  
mandated   by   the   respondent   to   implement   the   out­sourcing   of   E­BIZ   to  
BSW.     Botha   held   regular   weekly   meetings   with   his   management   team  
(including the applicant) and twice­weekly report back meetings with E­

(including the applicant) and twice­weekly report back meetings with E­
BIZ   staff.     He   testified   that   the   project   which   he   headed   was

enthusiastically received by all the affected employees (including the  
applicant)   presumably   on   the   basis   that   those   affected   were   under   the  
impression that they would be taken over by BSW and that therefore their  
(new) jobs were secure.  However it is clear from his evidence that all  
material times  he was  aware that  the probability  existed that  not all  
the   affected   employees   would   be   taken   over   by   BSW.     For   example   in   a  
document prepared by him dated 17 June 1998 (and discussed subsequently  
with   the   affected   group)   he   records   under   the   sub­heading   “Human 
Resources” as follows:
“∙ Some of the e­Biz personnel will be transferred to BSW.
∙ e­Biz personnel not transferred to BSW will remain in Sanlam.  
If   their   functions   are   retained,   they   will   report   to   Liz é  
Lamprechts.     If   their   functions   are   not   retained   in   Sanlam,  
they will be treated as “oortolliges”.
∙ BSW   do   not   have   the   same   perks   and   working   conditions   as  
Sanlam.
∙ Remuneration   in   BSW   will   be   equitable   to   the   e­Biz  
remuneration”.
6.On   24   July   1998,   the   E­BIZ   team   (including   Botha   and   the   applicant)  
discussed,   inter   alia ,   the   Sanlam/BSW   contract;     other   contractual  
agreements;  the proposed business structure;  and other processes.  At  
this   meeting   the   proposed   date   of   the   out­sourcing   is   mentioned   as   1  
September 1998.
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7.During the whole of the process up to and including 14 August 1998, the E­
BIZ team was kept informed of developments regarding the contract with  
BSW.
8.At an E­BIZ meeting held on Wednesday 5 August 1998 (not attended by the  
applicant) various matters were discussed relating to the out­sourcing  
project.     It   is   recorded   in   the   minute   of   that   meeting   that   George  
Holtzhausen (a senior member of the E­BIZ team) said the following:
“3.1  E­Biz Personeel in Nobelpark
George   het   dit   duidelik   gestel   dat   hy   die   e­Biz   se   personeel   se  
frustrasie verstaan en hy wil graag net noem dat al is daar personeel  
wat reeds na Nobelpark oorgeskuif het, is daar nog geen aanbod aan die  
personeel gemaak nie ­ hierdie personeel het (soos die personeel wat nog  
in Sanlam is) geen idee waar hulle geplaas gaan word nie en poste moet  
nog individueel met ALMAL onderhandel word”.
9.It was clearly stated at that meeting that BSW could not offer jobs to the  
E­BIZ personnel unless and until the contract between BSW and Sanlam was  
finalised.  Indeed, the following question was posed to Holtzhausen:
“Deon Albertze: Van ons het klaar oorgetrek ­ ons s ê dus by implikasie dat ons alles  
aanvaar ­ dus het ons klaar die deure van Sanlam van ons toegemaak!
George:  Die deure is nie toe nie ­ die “deal” is nog nie gefinaliseer nie. 
Deon Albertze:  Hoekom kan BSW dan nie ‘n aanbod maak vir die wat reeds geskuif het  
nie?
George:  Die “deal” is nog nie gefinaliseer nie.

Jean Lategaan: Hoekom word die paar poste uitgesonder?
George: Sewe poste word binne Sanlam geopen ­ die aanstellings word vir Sanlam  
gedoen!  
George noem dat behalwe vir die bestuurderspos, die ander poste eers die  
11de sluit en dat die e­Bizzers ‘n aanbod van BSW VOOR 11 Augustus sal  
hê om dan die verskeie opsies te oorweeg”. 
10.In an e­mail to Botha on 12 August 1998, Christodoulou (the MD) advised  
Botha that he hoped to inform the staff either on the 13 th  or the 14 th 
(the Friday) what the outcome would be.  On that same day, Botha had e­
mailed to all the members of the team (including the applicant, although  
she   was   away   in   Pretoria)   informing   them   of   the   current   problems  
(“hindernisse”) which included the following:
“3.  BSW   het   nog   nie   salaris   aanbiedinge   aan   E­Biz   personeel   gedoen   nie.  
Daar   is   reeds   op   31­7­98   gekommunikeer   dat   BSW   in   die   week   van   3­7  
Augustus met aanbiedinge (onderhewig aan die out­source kontrakte) aan  
personeel sou begin.   Omdat selfs nie die senior personeel aanbiedings  
het nie, word geen vordering gedemonstreer nie en kom BSW se bone fides  
onder verdenking.
4.  Die   uitdienstredings   proses   by   Sanlam   vorder   goed.     Info   tov  
pensioen/medies,  ensovoorts   is  beskikbaar.     Omdat   die  uitdienstredings  
proses gereed is, maar die indienstredings proses sukkel, lyk dit asof  
die e­Biz personeel sonder werk gaan sit.  Die risiko is dat dit in die  
lig   van   die   Didata/Speskom   aanbiedinge   belangstelling   ooit  
persgeleerdere kan lok”.
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11.Meetings were held on 11, 12 and 14 August 1998 where various matters were  
discussed relating to the contract with BSW and during which the E­BIZ  
staff expressed their frustration with the process.  
11.1 During this (what turned out to be crucial) week, the applicant was away  
in Pretoria.  It culminated on Friday 14   August 1998 in an announcement  
that BSW would only be offering 12   contracts to E­BIZ personnel, and not  
59 as originally thought by the applicant.  It was also at this meeting  
that   Holtzhausen   walked   out   of   Sanlam.     (He   also   took   the   voluntary  
severance   package   and   with   him   some   E­BIZ   staff   members   to   join   a  
company   called   Brainware.     This   company   subsequently   offered   the  
applicant a job in August 1998 which was withdrawn 4 days later).  
11.2 Holtzhausen had  later that  day telephoned  Visser on  her cell  phone to  
inform her of the decision.  The applicant testified that the news came  
to her as a great shock.  
11.3 On the same day, Botha had e­mailed to all the affected staff (including  
the applicant) an A, B and C list of employees.   The A list contained  
what   is   described   as   “ BSW   job   offers” ;   the   B   list   contained   what   is  
described as “ Sanlam shared service related functions” ; and, the C list  
contained   a   list   of   names   which   were   described   as   “ not   Sanlam   shared  
service related”.   The applicant’s name appeared on the C list.  
11.4 In his e­mail, Botha proposed that all E­BIZ personnel check and update  
the list and forward any changes to Jaco Viljoen who would  then update  
the list  further ahead  of a  meeting planned  for the  following Tuesday  
(18 August 1998)  when the positions would be clarified.  The applicant  
only received this e­mail on the morning of Monday 17 August 1998.   It

is common cause that the applicant did not communicate to either Botha  
or Viljoen that she was unhappy about being placed in the C group.  (The  
applicant   explained   in   her   evidence   that   she   was   still   under   the  
impression that she would remain with Sanlam having been placed in the  
central   Sanlam   resource   pool,   the   C   group.     In   this   regard   I   mention  
that it is difficult to appreciate the applicant’s evidence that she was  
“shocked”  when Holtzhausen phoned her with the news on Friday 14   August 
1998 whilst she was still under the impression on Monday 17   August 1998  
that she would remain within the service of the respondent, having been  
placed in the central pool of employees).
12.On Tuesday 18 August 1998, the meeting proposed by Botha took place and at  
this   meeting   the   three   groupings   (amended   as   per   the   request   of   some  
employees)   referred   to   earlier,   was   confirmed.     The   minute   of   the  
meeting   stipulates   that   staff   in   groups   B   and   C   would   be   redeployed  
within Sanlam until the end of September and if not so redeployed, would  
be declared   “oortollig”  ( “in excess” ) and they would have to leave the  
service of Sanlam in October 1998.  At the meeting those in group C were  
requested  to   make  proposals   to  management   should  they   be   “onseker  ...  
oor werk sekuriteit” .
13.It is apparent from the evidence that after the meeting of 18 August 1998,  
the applicant did not forward any proposal to Botha (despite his request  
to her that she do so) that she be retained in the Sanlam structure in  
an   alternative   post.     Indeed,   she   applied   for   a   voluntary   severance  
package   on   31   August   1998   and   thereafter   (following   a   discussion   with  
Botha)   removed   her   name   from   the   list   (on   4   September   1998)     and  
instead,   applied   for   an   alternative   post   within   Sanlam.     The   post

instead,   applied   for   an   alternative   post   within   Sanlam.     The   post  
applied for by the applicant was then upgraded and was subsequently not  
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filled.   (In this regard, the applicant’s original allegation that the  
respondent acted improperly, was withdrawn). 
14.The main thrust of Mr Rautenbach’s argument on behalf of the applicant is  
that the offer by BSW to take over only twelve of the E­BIZ personnel on  
14  August 1998, gave rise to a  “new commercial rational e” which at that  
point enjoined the respondent (having regard to the relevant provisions  
of section 189 of the Act) to consult with the applicant in regard to  
the various  matters listed  in section  189.    Mr Niewoudt,  who appeared  
for   the   respondent,   argued   that   the   decision   of   14   August   1998   was  
indeed   the   culmination   of   a   process   which   had   commenced   with   the  
respondent’s preliminary decision in February 1998 and which had given  
rise   to   a   process   of   consultation   which   took   place   in   June,   July   and  
August   1998   and   which   had   involved   the   active   participation   of   the  
applicant.  Mr Niewoudt contended that the applicant had perhaps naively  
believed that she would be offered a job by BSW but he pointed out that  
it   is   apparent   from   the   minutes   of   various   meetings   (and   indeed   the  
respondent’s   initial   proposal)   that   the   possibility   was   mooted   at   an  
early stage that not all E­BIZ personnel would be taken over by BSW.
15.Section   189   (1)   of   the   Act   requires   that   an   employer   must   consult   the  
affected   employees   or   their   representatives   when   that   employer  
“contemplates”  dismissing   the   employees   for   reasons   based   on   the  
employer’s   operational   requirements.     (The   word   “contemplates”  is  
defined in the 10 th Ed of the Concise Oxford Dictionary as meaning  “look 
at thoughtfully, think about, think profoundly and at length, have as a  
probable   intention” ).     It   is   clear   that   prior   to   embarking   on   the

probable   intention” ).     It   is   clear   that   prior   to   embarking   on   the  
consultation   process   required   by   section   189,   the   respondent   had  
indicated its intention (and in this regard I refer to Christodoulou’s

proposal   of   2   June   1998)   that   “all   the   posts   in   the   portion   of   e­Biz  
which   is   out­sourced,   will   be   abolished   within   Sanlam” .     Thereafter  
Botha was put in charge of the out­sourcing project which resulted in a  
number of meetings with the affected group of employees (including the  
applicant), and with BSW.
16.It is apparent from the evidence that the commercial rationale which set  
into   motion   the   section   189   consultation   procedure   (effectively   from  
June   1998   onwards)   did   not   change   on,   or   before,   or   after,   14   August  
1998.   Indeed, on 14   August 1998, the   “contemplation”  (as in   “probably 
thought”) of  dismissal became  more of  a reality  when it  was announced  
that   BSW   was   only   offering   12   positions   to   the   affected   employees  
instead   of   59.     I   cannot   agree   with   Mr   Rautenbach   that   after   the  
announcement   on   14   August   1998,   the   respondent   was   again   required   to  
commence   a   new   (or   different)   consultation   process   as   contemplated   by  
section 189 of the Act.   It does not make sense to me that an employer  
is required to consult (in the context of a decision to out­source) on  
the   topics   referred   to   in   section   189(2)   and   (3)   of   the   Act   after  
announcing   its   (initial)     intention   to   out­source   and   then   is   again  
required to do so once the out­sourcing contract is concluded with the  
other party (or is close to conclusion) when it becomes clear that not  
all employees will be taken over by the other contracting party.  Such a  
double responsibility is not contemplated by either a proper reading of  
section 189 of the Act, or if one has regard to the primary objects of  
the Act.
17.In   Kotze v Rebel Discount Liquor Group (Pty) Ltd   (2000) 21 ILJ 129 (LAC)  
at   132A­J   to   133A­G ,   Mogoeng   AJA   restates   very   succinctly   our   law   in

at   132A­J   to   133A­G ,   Mogoeng   AJA   restates   very   succinctly   our   law   in  
regard   to   what   is   required   (procedurally   and   substantively)   for   a  
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retrenchment process to be regarded as a  “fair” process.  Applying those  
principles to the facts of this case, it is clear to me that:
17.1 the respondent had at a very early stage (in February 1998) identified  
the retrenchment of the affected employees (including the applicant) as  
a possibility;
17.2 following   its   proposal   of   2   June   1998,   the   respondent   appointed   Botha  
(the   senior   manager   of   E­BIZ)   to   co­ordinate   and   implement   the   out­
source project.   The task team included the applicant.   The task team  
met regularly to report back to staff;
17.3 the applicant conceded that she was aware of the consequences of E­BIZ  
being out­sourced, namely that her employment with the respondent would  
be terminated.  
17.4 the final decision of the respondent to retrench the applicant was taken  
only after:
17.4.1 extensive negotiations and consultations with affected staff and with BSW,  
the other  contracting party.   The  negotiations with  BSW included   the  
possible   placement   or   absorption   of   Sanlam   E­BIZ   personnel   (including  
the   applicant).     Implicit   in   these   negotiations   was   an   attempt   to  
achieve   the   object   of   avoiding   retrenchments   altogether,   alternatively  
reducing the number of dismissals and mitigating their consequences;
17.4.2 the   applicant   and   all   other   affected   E­BIZ   employees   were   given   a   fair

opportunity to make meaningful and effective proposals relating to the  
whole process of out­sourcing, including its consequences.
17.5 the announcement  on 14  August 1998  served as  reasonable notice  to all  
the affected employees concerned that their proposed retrenchment was on  
the cards even though at the time those functions to be taken over by  
BSW were yet to be identified.  Indeed, following the announcement of 14  
August 1998, Botha (albeit unilaterally) grouped the affected employees  
into various categories, including an   “oortollige” (in excess) category  
in   which   the   applicant   was   grouped.     He   consulted   with   the   affected  
employees requiring them to make their input in regard to their grouping  
before it was finalised.  Some employees gave their input, while others  
did not.  The applicant fell in the latter category;  
17.6 the applicant had, after the announcement on 14 August 1998, applied for  
a voluntary  severance package  on 31  August 1998  and then  withdrew her  
application on 4 September 1998, and instead, applied for an alternative  
post   within   the   organisation.     Her   application   in   this   regard   was  
considered, but was not approved; and
17.7 the   respondent’s   final   decision   to   retrench   was   informed   by   what   had  
transpired during the consultation process which took place during the  
months of June, July and part of August, 1998.
18.As stated in   Kotze v Rebel Discount Liquor Group , (above) at   133D­E, the  
requirement of consultation also serves a substantive purpose and that  
purpose is to ensure that the final decision to retrench is properly and  
genuinely justifiable by the operational requirements or by a commercial  
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or business rationale.  Having regard to the facts in this matter, I am  
satisfied that the consultation process which spanned over a period of  
almost three months, achieved that purpose.
19.In conclusion therefore, I find that the retrenchment of the applicant was  
not unfair (procedurally or substantively) in the circumstances of this  
case.    Because the  applicant was  under a  mistaken impression  that she  
would be offered the same job with BSW (and because it did not happen  
that   way)   does   not   make   the   retrenchment   unfair.     Indeed,   even  
Christodoulou (the respondent’s MD) indicated in his proposal of 2 June  
1998 that   “we are confident that we can negotiate with the new company  
to offer you alternative employment with similar terms and conditions to  
that which you currently enjoy ...” .  However in determining substantive  
and procedural fairness, one must have regard to the actual consultation  
process   as   it   unfolded.     In   this   case   (unfortunately)   it   became  
increasingly   clear   that   not   all   the   affected   employees   would   be  
accommodated by BSW.  For this, the respondent cannot be blamed, and it  
can certainly not be said that the respondent acted unfairly.
20.In regard to costs, having regard to the circumstances of the matter, the  
requirements of the law and fairness and the conduct of the parties, I  
am of the view that each party should pay her/its own costs.
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ARENDSE AJ

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